Dems Suggest Bush Lead the Way on Iraq

Bottom Line Up Front:  Dems cannot think for themselves on Iraq.

Fox's Big Story Weekend hosted by Julie Banderis on Saturday featured discussions on the Democratic takeovers in the House and Senate and what Democrats would propose on Iraq. 

Democrat and former Army General Wesley Clark, a vehement opponent of operations in Iraq, was asked this question by Julie Banderis:

"Now that the Democrats are in control of the House and the Senate, what is the Democrats new plan for Iraq?"

Wesley Clark's answer:

"We're going to ask the administration to come up with another plan."

Well there you go.  

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[Gayle]

Yep! "There you go" for sure! Stop by MRB Amy. You haven't heard anything yet, I promise. :(

[CalPatriot]

The Dems can propose what they want, but don’t demand from your opponent to lead the way and to also figure it out as well. Let them do it. It is part of their ummm…, I’m not taking responsibility for anything in legality, menagerie. To Clark’s comments: It just shows that the Dems never have had a plan or can think of one now ( Do they really want to think or become engaged with a religion they have supported in the past? Kosovo anyone?), because they would become embroiled in the same topics as the current administration. Is Islam really are friend? Tell me in history when they ever were? I sometimes, wish Bush was as coy as Reagan, and just get on TV and explain this to everyone.

Right now in the News, Palestinian Terrorist groups formed an alliance with Iran and called for international attacks on U.S. targets and to enforce a starting point of the planning stages this weekend. Al Qaeda’s Iraq Leader, Abu Ayyub al-Masri, (aka Al-Muhajir), called his 12,000 men to look to other terrorist jobs after the pull-out and to blow up the White House, and to call on all Iraqis to let Al Qaeda take over Iraq once the blessed ( his terms for the Democratic Party of America) Democrats call home their troops. Five Muslim nations have called on forming committees to get nuclear weapons, apparently for a future showdown with whomever? ( We know who!), and the mad man of Iran is calling for the annihilation of Israel again and to the joy of wackos in Europe.


2008 is a long way to think about regaining power in the Senate and House. We need to address concerns right now, and the Democratic Party has no plan but to keep complaining, blaming, accusing, cutting and running, whimping and whimping and vacillating. Are they any good to U.S. and its politics at this point in the world game?

[dwbh]

Got a transcript?

[Big Bang Hunter]

From the book "Surprise, surprise"

- If fecklessness of the Dems wasn't so tragic for the future of the Iraqi's it would be funny. We knew they got in with an empty wagon of idea's. We just didn't know they'd admit it this soon. Girding up to shift the blame back to BushCo as soon as things go to hell in a handbag. The true face of the hard Left, when your hate driven ideology is all you have.

[Amy Proctor]

dwbh, I've been searching for the transcript all weekend and/or the video. I have TIVO so I transcribed that manually. I hope to provide the transcript soon.

[dwbh]

Amy Proctor said:

"dwbh, I've been searching for the transcript all weekend and/or the video. I have TIVO so I transcribed that manually. I hope to provide the transcript soon."

OK, thanks. Don't work too hard. :)

[Silke]

As I understand it the Democrats will be introducing legislation in January calling for a phased withdrawal from Iraq in four to six months. This is meant to send a signal to the Iraqis that only they can resolve the sectarian violence. While I’m not sure about setting a definite time for withdrawal I do think it’s important to pressure the Iraqi government to take over for themselves.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/13/washington/13military.html?hp&ex=1163394000&en=23910cc168662861&ei=5094&partner=homepage

[Mike]

Damnit, I knew the Dems. had a bitchen plan to save us all from destruction and were just waiting for the perfect moment to spring it on us! Maybe I should have voted for the Dems, after all! Absolute genius!

[Johnny]

You know, Silke, for a West Pointer, you sure strike me as clueless sometimes about international relations. No one I know is arguing for perpetual dependence on Coalition Forces. Of course Iraq wants to be independent, and they want Coalition Forces to leave as soon as is tactically feasible.

A time table, especially one that short, is the most dangerous, irresponsible, and wreckless policy iniative since the Bay of Pigs invasion. If we pull out precipitiously, NO COUNTRY WILL EVER TRUST US AGAIN TO ACCOMPLISH A LIBERATION MISSION. What are those stakes worth?

The democrats have crippled the Iraqis ever since their irresponsible demi-goguing of the war as "hopeless", a "mess", a "quagmire", etc... DO THEY FRICKING REALIZE HOW THAT SOUNDS TO PEOPLE ON THE GROUND THAT HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN BACKING THEIR GOVERNMENT NOW OR DEALING WITH TERRORISTS IN 4-6 MONTHS??????

The democrats have resisted the efforts of Soldiers, diplomats and Iraqi nationals since the beginning and ANYTHING that goes wrong with this operations 100% the work of the democratic party. They have used the VERY TALKING POINTS of UBL in their nasty demigogeury. If I were an Iraqi and read the papers today I would just conclude that Americans are liars, pansies, evil cheaters who break their word and have no spine, no character, no back bone and I would throw in with the insurgents.

Forgive me for the passion, but the democrats have blamed the Commander-in-Chief the WHOLE way through this war and tied his hands as he defended our nation, and it is the DEMOCRATS who have emboldened our enemies, alienated our friends, and worked night and day to discourage the fledgling democracy in Iraq.

I'm so mad I can't type. I'm outta here. Democrats are NOT true patriots, I don't care what anyone says.

[Johnny]

One more thing. If we pull out of Iraq the war is coming RIGHT HERE.

[Tim]

Johnny is right. The war will end up right here on our doorsteps.

So that's the plan? Ask the administration to come up with another plan? That is their big "plan for change"?!!??

[Leticia]

Why am I not surprised? This is truly going to be a major wake up call for everyone that voted for the brilliant Dems and the changes they were proposing. NOT!

This is truly funny, demented and sad, but funny.

[Ron]

What must Israel be feeling right now? Rather lonely I suppose.

The U.S. prepares to leave Iraq while Iran continues to prepare for war with Israel.

Tony Blair says that Syria and Iran can be trusted as "partners in peace" in the Middle East!

One week after the elections and everybody can't wait to surrender...not good.

[Silke]

Johnny,

I can understand that you are frustrated. I am too, but please don’t take it out on my Alma matter. Any “clueless” statements I make are entirely my own.

My comment was not necessarily an endorsement of the “Democratic plan” so much as it was a challenge to Amy’s “bottom line up front.” Clearly there are Democrats who are thinking for themselves. We may not agree with their plan (note that I disagreed with the timetable)…but it’s a plan. I would also point out that even the President’s Chief of Staff agreed that we need to pressure the Iraqi government to take over for themselves.

It’s unfortunate you blame this all on the Democrats. There are many Republicans who have criticized the handling of this war and some of those criticisms are legitimate.

[Amy Proctor]

Silke, the issue in question is "What is the Democratic plan to win in Iraq."

They have none.

If you want the question to be, "What will you do to Iraq if you have the chance?" then their "plan" is a fit.

They have NO PLAN for success in Iraq. Withdrawing is failure. I haven't heard any Democrat address the fall out from such a "plan". It will be devastating.

[Silke]

Amy said: “Silke, the issue in question is ‘What is the Democratic plan to win in Iraq.’”

Fair enough, but that’s not what your “bottom line up front" said (or even the rest of your post). And that is what I was challenging.

[Mwalimu Daudi]

Democrats have no plan for winning in Iraq. But that was obvious before the election.

The Democrats have not even taken control of Congress yet, and already they are trying to pretend that they are not in the majority. This is leadership?

[Stryker]

Amy, you keep harping on the “Democrats” for not having a plan for Iraq. It is not the duty of the Congress to devise any war plan Their responsibilities are oversight and funding. That is all.

Wesley Clark is not an elected leader. He is a retired General who still has the right to speak his mind. He is well aware that Bush is the Commander and Chief. It will be the final decisions of the White House as to what changes will be made in Iraq. Democrats can just offer options and try to shape public opinion. It's called Democracy. Get used to it.

The most influential US voices regarding Iraq will be Jim Baker's Iraq Study Group. I expect you to be be perplexed when the report is released. Now Bush Sr. is in control of foreign policy. As bad as he was, I do feel better now that Dubya has realized his folly and once again asked his Daddy to bail him out.

This new House and Senate is not liberal. They are Blue Dog Democrats and Republicans with a few liberals scattered between. I am a liberal. I not happy about the right/center direction of our national governing body, but that is what the voters chose. I can accept it. Too bad you can not.

[Amy Proctor]

"Amy, you keep harping on the “Democrats” for not having a plan for Iraq. It is not the duty of the Congress to devise any war plan Their responsibilities are oversight and funding. That is all."

You'd better let Pelosi and Co. know. They think they're pulling the troops out.

[Stryker]

Just got off the phone with Pelosi's office. They said she knows, but thanked me for my call. Now will you call the WH and find out how they are going to "win" in Iraq, and how they now define "winning"?

[Big Bang Hunter]

"winning" for the Dems, is anything that consists of not actually having to defend America, because you know.... well that's just against the Left's ideals.....

[Tim]

Stryker: if you had been paying attention to current events, you'd know that "winning" has been defined more times than a Democrat can sleep with your wife in a year. "Winning" is fighting until the Iraqis can stand on their own. Period.

Now maybe we can get to the part where you explain why the Democrats, who repeatedly campaigned on "change", are not suppose to have a plan for this "change"?

[Tim]

Stryker: You could also get back to how Pelosi and the Dems planning a withdrawl fits in to your "they don't make policy" mantra, instead of evading it with childish ranting.

[Mwalimu Daudi]

"It is not the duty of the Congress to devise any war plan."

Translation: Democrats want the voting public to re-deploy their expectations. "It ain't our duty" will be the new standard of leadership from this Congress. What courage!

[Johnny]

Silke:

Please hear me out. We left the Iraqis holding the bag in 1991 when we did not support the southern uprising against Saddam. We hung them out to dry with the Oil-for-Food UN debacle that milked the people dry while Saddam built more than 40 new palaces. Now that we toppled Saddam, the democrats want to pull out before Saddam is even executed???? Could the terrorists themselves have come up with a 'plan' more harmful to the people of Iraq? Why should any nation, anywhere EVER trust us again?

Do you see what is at stake here? Something a heckuva lot more grave than GWB's legacy.

Like I said, if I am an Iraqi and I read the American papers, I'm throwing in with the insurgency. YES, that was the fault of the irresponsible, dangerous and unfit-to-govern democrats.

Please Mr. President, dust off that veto pen...

[millie]

Typical...all of you have the cutting comments; why don't you tell it to someone who'll make a difference. Step up to the plate and quit hiding under your keyboards. Well, at least I got my daily dose of pitiful public rhetoric and now know I won't be spending research time at this site.

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