Unlike Democrats, Romania Will Not Abandon Iraq
Tuesday, November 14, 2006 at 10:48AM Bottom Line Up Front: Romania's honor is greater than the Democrats'.
Romanian President Traian Basescu said Saturday that Romania will not abandon Iraq by redeploying its 608 non-combatant personnel currently stationed there.
"We cannot consider withdrawing and abandoning Iraq in the current situation. We will maintain our commitment.
"An exit strategy is a matter of concern for us, and we are building it with our main allies, the U.S. and the U.K. But the states that form the coalition cannot abandon Iraq as it is now. We have an obligation to the Iraqi people. We will leave when the local authorities can provide security for the people.”
Basescu said he empathized with the families who plead for troop withdrawal from Iraq, but stands by Romania’s commitment adding,
"There are pressures from families and the public in general, but Romanians also understand very well that Romania has a commitment to its allies.
"Romania's honor is greater than its feelings. We will stay because it is a dishonor to leave your allies.”
While the political atmosphere may be similar in both Romania and the United States regarding the struggle for peace in Iraq, both Presidents have the fortitude to understand honor, duty and commitment. The Democratic cry for withdrawal stands in stark contrast to the Romanian decision to place its country’s honor over sentiment, recognizing the dishonor of withdrawing, not to mention the unfairness of the situation for Iraqis. The families of US troops, along with the soldiers themselves, overwhelmingly want to remain in Iraq until it is stable enough to maintain its own security. This is clearly evidenced by the recruitment and re-enlistment rate in 2006, in which every active duty branch of service either met or exceeded it’s goal of 100% or more.
The question then becomes, "How do so-called compassionate Democrats justify the disastrous consequence for Iraqis and the Middle East if the United States abandons Iraq?"
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You said:“Romania will not abandon Iraq by redeploying its 608 non-combatant personnel currently stationed there”. - “Romania's honor is greater than the Democrats'”.
How many Democrats do you think are now serving in COMBAT in Iraq? Do you think, it is more or less than 608? Why must you denigrate the troops?
Let's take a look at the past and planned withdrawals of the Multinational Forces in Iraq.
Poland: 2,400 troops--WITHDRAWAL PLANNED (12/06)
Italy: 1,800 troops--WITHDRAWAL PLANNED (12/06)
Ukraine: 1,650 troops--WITHDRAWN (12/05)
Netherlands : 1,345 troops--WITHDRAWN (3/05)
Spain : 1,300 troops--WITHDRAWN (4/04)
Japan: 600 troops--WITHDRAWN (7/06)
Bulgaria : 462 troops--WITHDRAWN (4/06)
Thailand: 423 troops--WITHDRAWN (9/04)
Honduras: 368 troops--WITHDRAWN (5/04)
Dominican Republic: 302 troops--WITHDRAWN (5/04)
Hungary: 300 troops--WITHDRAWN (12/04)
Nicaragua: 230 troops--WITHDRAWN (2/04)
Singapore: 192 troops--WITHDRAWN (1/04)
Norway: 150 troops--WITHDRAWN (8/06)
Portugal: 128 troops--WITHDRAWN (2/05)
New Zealand: 61 troops--WITHDRAWN (9/04)
Philippines: 51 troops--WITHDRAWN (7/04)
Tonga: 45 troops--WITHDRAWN (12/04)
Iceland: 2 troops--WITHDRAWN
I can see why you are so stoked about the 608 non-combatant Romanians remaining in Iraq.Remember Kazakhstan has 29 troops still there. God Bless Borat!!
I'm not saying one way or the other that Romania will make or break Iraq. That is not the point of this post. ALTHOUGH, I will suggest that all and any help is much appreciated and desired. I guess those of us invested in the success of Iraq have normal feelings of gratitude to go along with honor, duty and commitment.
The Brits and Americans have been the main players from day 1, so your argument is really inconsequential.
Make fun of the Romanians all you want. They have more dignity and honor than you, my friend. That is the point.
I ask you again: How many Democrats do you think are now serving in COMBAT in Iraq? Do you think it is more or less than 608? Why must you denigrate the troops?
My “making fun of Romanians” was satire. You know, like you calling me your friend, There is no honor in going to war under false pretenses, especially when it robs our nation of lives, blood and treasure. What is even worse is that this war has left us less safe at home.
Don't misunderstand me. The troops have honor. More honor than can be expressed in words. That includes Republican, Democrat, Independent, and non-political personnel serving their country. They do as they are ordered in hopes that the civilian leadership will not send them off to fight and die for an unjust or unwinable cause. It is chicken-hawk leaders and war cheerleaders that lack honor.
Do you now not allow hyper links to be posted? They will not load for me, but I imagine that is to your liking. I'm surprised you still allow me to post.
Prove that statement. Demonstrate it.
We're America. All those countries that have withdrawn, what does that mean? We can't get the job done without them? If you believe that you have no conception as to how our military works. The point of the post is that Romania still sees the honor in fighting terrorism in Iraq, despite liberal wailing about unsecured WMD.
Spy Agencies Say Iraq War Worsens Terrorism Threat
By MARK MAZZETTI
Published: September 24, 2006
WASHINGTON, Sept. 23 — A stark assessment of terrorism trends by American intelligence agencies has found that the American invasion and occupation of Iraq has helped spawn a new generation of Islamic radicalism and that the overall terrorist threat has grown since the Sept. 11 attacks.
The classified National Intelligence Estimate attributes a more direct role to the Iraq war in fueling radicalism than that presented either in recent White House documents or in a report released Wednesday by the House Intelligence Committee, according to several officials in Washington involved in preparing the assessment or who have read the final document.
see NYT for more.
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ALso read what Judith Miller now has to say about how safe the Ireaq war has made us. Remember her? She was once one of the war cheerleaders.
You said:“Romania will not abandon Iraq by redeploying its 608 noncombatant personnel currently stationed there”. - “Romania's honor is greater than the Democrats'”.
Clearly this isn't about numbers. Their population is only 22,000,000 and they are not world leaders nor a superpower, but Romania is committing itself to the effort. If you choose to belittle it, that's up to you.
The only reason you think this is an unwinnable situation is because you don't care to inform yourself. Like the liberal politicians in question, you gloss over the facts and progress like the MSM and totally ignore the consequence of pulling out while feigning compassion. Iraq is already well on its way to being won. This is a war, for crying out loud. It's unreasonable to think the terrorists would throw daisies instead of plant IEDs.
Squarespace doesn't allow hyperlinking, but links like http://foxnews.com automatically link as is. It's a Squarespace issue. I've been trying for a year to get them to allow linking in the comment area. They say they're working on it.
I don't allow people who break the rules of engagement to post. I don't believe you've done that, or should I be paying more attention?
As for your quote, it does nothing to prove your previous assertion that we are less safe at home. We may not be safer in Iraq, but Americans are far safer at home. With Homeland Security and various programs protecting us, we are FAR more safe than before 9/11. You might want to remind yourself that we were not in Iraq during the USS Cole bombing, the 1993 World Trade Tower bombing, the Oklahoma City Federal Bldg. with Tim McVeigh (domestic terrorism), and of course 9/11. Your citation asserts that our involvement in Iraq has helped spawn a new generation of Islamic radicalism. We are safer at home. This is evidenced by the number of attacks on the US since March 2003, or 9/11 for that matter.
Have Islamic radicals been spawned? Sure, but there has also been spawned a whole new generation of patriots serving in the US military, joining during war time. We're killing far more of them than they are of us, and if I were you, I'd be grateful there are such men willing to fight for America so you don't have to be drafted.
BTW - the expert testimony relied upon to "prove" going into Iraq has made us less safe, also states that pulling out would make us less safe. You can't have it both ways.
Where in your "source" is the quote from the spy agencies? What spy agencies? How was the information put together? Did they "spy" on a population of terrorists and eavesdrop on their "Why I Joined The Jihad" speeches? Or did they go door to door at terror cells asking them why/when they joined up?
Forgive me if I'm skeptical of news reports that just vaguely say "spy agencies say so." This sounds suspiciously like the "anonymous source" the libs tried basing their information on last time.
It is physically impossible for him to see or understand honor, integrity and loyalty to friends because his vision is currently impeded.
Let’s humor the lad until he can see clearly.
He also failes to realize that when the Coalition nations first deployed their soldiers there were ZERO Iraqi security forces and now there are hundreds of thousands. They accomplished their part of the mission and also had to respond to political pressure at home. It is telling that Spain got attacked after their withdrawal.
As for America being less safe, how can you prove that with ZERO attacks on America since 911? And Coalition Forces have routed terrorists in Iraq, Afghanistan, Great Britian and various other locations. We can't even be told how many have been dealt with clandestinely. The Hirabists decalre war on us and then fail to successfully launch a single attack all the while their co-hirabists in the Congress are trying to tie the hands of our President and grant Constitutional rights to terrorists.
Losers.
He was demonstrating the triumph of the coward list. Now the Dems want to force cowardness onto the US troops by forcing them to withdraw. God Bless, Romania for showing us they have courage to stand by the right’s side. Usama is laughing at these listees, like he did at former President Clinton for his cowardness in all his cut-and-run escapades. Poor Billy, being laughed at by Usama is a shame. Most of the Iraqi citizens are fearful of Al Qaeda taking over. That is always in the back of their minds.
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“We shouldn't berate Stryker as it is apparent he is in line for that new surgery called a Plexiotomy... You know. The one in which a small sheet of plexi-glass is surgically placed in the navel area of the lower abdominal region to accommodate vision for those with their heads inserted in their rectums”.
Please don't ban this guy. He can say what he wants about me, but he did clearly break your rules. That is the difference. I do not want to shut anyone up.Debate is good thing. Several people made points that I will admit are thoughtful and worthy of consideration.
Please do not assume I am a Democrat. I am not.I did not think the highest of them before the election. They are not making me feel better now. It just seems to me that you blame them for all America's problems when they have not held much power in ages. America's problems are ALL Americans problems. We all had a part in where we are today. Scapegoating any group of Americans is wrong. It is late here now I have keyed more than I planned. Goodnight.
However, you are on the right track in regards to winning against Arabs traditionally. Prophet Muhammad said that Alexander 'the Great' was a great prophet in his own right, because he beat up on the out-of-control Persian bullies. So it seems Islam, the heritage of the Persian religion, in which Muhammad changed it into Islam, does in fact honor brutish behavior, even when it comes from their opponents.
- Now we know where the Dems got the “Great big fat Greek magic Technicolor Iraq plan"…
(Bush’s desk....)
...Paging Pelosi....Senator Pelosi, you have a call on the House floor curtesy phone....