Sarah Palin Makes the Obama/Ayers Connection
Tuesday, October 7, 2008 at 06:00AM Sarah Palin in Florida yesterday made the connection between Barack Obama and Bill Ayers, the former fugitive and unrepentant domestic terrorist. Here’s what Gov. Palin had to say:
Didn’t Barack Obama know who Bill Ayers was when Ayers hosted a meet and greet in his living room to kick off Obama’s run for the state senate in the mid-90’s? How could Obama have not known and why would he associate in any way with the unrepentant terrorist? And later when Obama served on several boards with Ayers, didn’t he know then who Ayers was?
Why does this matter? Because Barack Obama has made “judgment” a criteria in this presidential election and his judgment in who he surrounds himself with is alarming. Jeremiah Wright, Michael Pfleger, Bill Ayers…… are we scared yet?
We should be.
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The Obama Ayers Relationship
I wish someone would flat out ask McCain tonight:
1. Do you think Obama's a terrorist?
2. Do you think Obama hates America?
Perhaps we could then put an end to this B.S. desperate wink and a nod smear campaign.
"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American Government. And I won’t be buried under their damned flag I’ll be buried in Dawson . And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home."
Why does Todd Palin hate America?
Who knows how Obama really feels about America. Its not like he's constantly trumpeting American exceptionalism. And his 20 year association with anti-American cleric Jeremiah Wright is hardly a sign of his devotion to country. For Pete's sake, he doesn't even know the proper posture to assume for the national anthem.
Um, Todd Palin doesn't hate America. This story has been debunked and that quote is NOT in the NYTimes story you posted.
Do you REALLY think if this were true it wouldn't be front page news?
You should be ashamed of yourself, tit for tat.
This IS from the article:
Let me guess, you're a Democrat from Ohio, right?
Now to the legitimate grumpy (that's you old fart), no one thinks Obama is a terrorist or that he outright hates America. His associations and philosophies however raise serious concerns about his judgment and where his devotions lie.
I don't consider him a patriot and think he has a warped view of America, but he recognizes that he could only get away with his campaign in a country like America.
The closest thing to an act of terror Obama has done is to vote against the Born Alive Infants Protection Act and there's a case to be made for that but he isn't a terrorist because he likes Bill Ayers.
So grumpy old tit, did you think no one would check your source?
Did I say it was a quote from Todd?
The quote was from Alaska Independence Party founder Joe Vogler. Todd was a card carrying member of this party, as you know, for many years, only ending his membership has his wife decided to spread her wings beyond tiny Wasilla.
The point was about guilt by association. Sorry you missed it.
2008 AIP platform
I don't think Obama is a terrorist or a closet Muslim or doesn't possess American citizenship.
I do think he has questionable judgment and a complete inability to admit to his own mistakes. Or at least be honest about what he's heard or seen.
He threw Rev. Wright under the bus when people started to question how Obama could sit in that church for 20+ years and hear that hate being spewed.
He'll throw Ayers under the bus as well, or at least he'll try. The difference here is that Ayers is a terrorist - and damned proud of it. He won't want his experiences and associations with Obama to be thrust out of sight out of mind.
Obama has no experience, no record, nothing. Zip. Zero. Nada. He will be a danger to this country.
Am:
You're the only one who pretends you don't know how you tried to portray Todd Palin, Sarah Palin's husband. So tell me, why DID you list that quote under the caption, "Why Does Todd Palin Hate America" ?
Why didn't you ascribe authorship to that quote? I think we all know why.
You are a card carrying member of the Ohio DNC, right?
If you don't like the Palin's just say so. You don't have to vote for them. Don't lie about them and make false insinuations to justify yourself.
Mega comment... Sorry-
Never a more valiant effort put forth than to obscure the intertwined connections with Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn. Unfortunately, like the internet, public life forces one to leave a trail of bread crumbs, sometimes miles wide. In this case, Stanley Kurtz energizes a flood light and exposes the links between Obama and the terrorists. I have only copied excerpts of the article because of the length, but would suggest reading the entire document called “Barack Obama’s Lost Years”.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/386abhgm.asp?pg=1
Stanley Kurtz writes:
“…Obama's strong liberalism is nowhere more evident than on the subject of crime. Throughout his Illinois State Senate career, crime was a top Obama concern. Crime is also a key contact-point between Obama and his most celebrated radical associate, William Ayers. We've heard a good deal of late about Ayers's Weatherman terrorism back in the 1960s and his lack of repentance. Ayers refuses to answer questions about his relationship with Obama, while Obama has dismissed Ayers as just "a guy who lives in my neighborhood." Yet several Obama-Ayers connections are known: Obama's 1995 political debut at the home of Ayers and his wife (and fellow former terrorist) Bernardine Dohrn, Obama's joint service with Ayers on the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago, a couple of appearances with Ayers on academic panels, and what the New York Times called Obama's "rave review" (not actually a full review, but a warm endorsement) of Ayers's book on juvenile justice, which Obama dubbed "a searing and timely account" in the Chicago Tribune….”
“…The most intriguing thread linking Obama, Ayers, and crime, however, runs through Ayers's wife, Bernardine Dohrn. Dohrn founded the Children and Family Justice Center at Northwestern University, and along with her associates there, she regularly and energetically opposes "get tough" crime laws. Ayers draws on his wife's wisdom in A Kind and Just Parent, and Dohrn, like her husband, publicly presents her work on juvenile justice not as a repudiation of her youthful radicalism, but as a continuation of it…”
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/386abhgm.asp?pg=2
Additional information regarding Mr. Ayers can be extrapolated from these sources:
"[W]illiam Ayers … [Was] A Founding Member Of The Group That Bombed The U.S. Capitol And The Pentagon During The 1970s." (Russell Berman, "Obama's Ties To Left Come Under Scrutiny," The New York Sun, 2/19/08)
• Ayers' Wife And Fellow Weather Underground Leader, Bernardine Dohrn, Appeared On The FBI's Most Wanted List Prior To Her Surrender To Authorities In 1980. (James Litke, "Fugitive Leader Surrenders With No Regrets," The Associated Press, 12/4/80)
Ayers And Other Leaders Of The Weather Underground Set Up A Bomb Factory In New York, Planning To Blow Up Ft. Dix In New Jersey And Various Police Headquarters. (Jon Anderson, "Weathering Change '60s Revolutionary Bill Ayers Says He Has Always Been A Teacher, But He No Longer Uses Bombs As Study Aids," Chicago Tribune, 7/8/93)
• The Bomb Factory Accidentally Exploded In 1970, Leveling The Townhouse And Killing Three People. (Jon Anderson, "Weathering Change '60s Revolutionary Bill Ayers Says He Has Always Been A Teacher, But He No Longer Uses Bombs As Study Aids," Chicago Tribune, 7/8/93)
In 1969, Ayers And 300 Other Radicals Launched An Unsuccessful Attack On The Home Of U.S. District Judge Julius Hoffman. (Jon Anderson, "Weathering Change '60s Revolutionary Bill Ayers Says He Has Always Been A Teacher, But He No Longer Uses Bombs As Study Aids," Chicago Tribune, 7/8/93)
Ayers Is "Flatly Unrepentant About The Bombings." (Ben Smith, "Obama Once Visited '60s Radicals," The Politico, 2/22/08)
• In 2001, Ayers Did Not Express Regret For His Past Conduct And Even Claimed The Weather Underground "Didn't Do Enough" Bombings. (Russell Berman, "Obama's Ties To Left Come Under Scrutiny," The New York Sun, 2/19/08)
http://www.barackbook.com/Profiles/WilliamAyers.htm
Barack Obama claims to have been ignorant of Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn’s past. If this is true, in light of the cohesive relationships between the three, that would make Obama either completely naïve or dangerously cavalier.
I believe neither is the case however. I believe Obama was very deliberate in the choice of his friends and acquaintances, which doesn’t necessarily make him a terrorist, but does makes him complicit to the act of terrorism.
"You're the only one who pretends you don't know how you tried to portray Todd Palin, Sarah Palin's husband. So tell me, why DID you list that quote under the caption, "Why Does Todd Palin Hate America" ?"
Thank you for again making my point.
Why are you libs so afraid to be out with yourselves? So grumpy old fart/am/grumpy old tit for tat are all the same person. Why not just be yourselves, people?
What you did was clear. You tried to attribute a comment to Todd Palin that wouuld appear damaging. You should be ashamed.
Wow, schitzo.
And your schitzo point is that libs lie to promote their point of view. You should really be embarrassed.
But hey, did you a good job taking the focus off Barack Obama and his affection for domestic terrorists and treasonists.
As far as the IP, I use a PC desktop and a Mac laptop. I should think it rather obvious the the varying names are all me, grumpy old fart, however, I apologize for the one marked "Am". That was a typo, pure and simple.
As for the "embarrassed" part, not so much.
If, as Sarah says, Obama is "pallng around with terrorists don'tcha know, wink, wink", it's more than fair to say Todd is in bed with those who would kick the U.S. out of Alaska. No?
Well, okay, I've always known you to be up front grumpy, but you should be ashamed to attribute the comments of someone else to Todd Palin to damage the reputation of his wife.
Typo? That takes some faith.
Let's move on.
SG: I'll take Grumpy's 'Guilt by Association' and raise it a 'Direct Terrorist "Pals" Membership'
McCain linked to private group in Iran-Contra case
PETE YOST | October 7, 2008 05:58 AM EST | AP
The U.S. Council for World Freedom was part of an international organization linked to former Nazi collaborators and ultra-right-wing death squads in Central America.
[...]
McCain was a new guy on the block learning the ropes," Singlaub told The Associated Press in an interview. "I think I met him in the Washington area when he was just a new congressman. We had McCain on the board to make him feel like he wasn't left out.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/07/mccain-linked-to-private-group-in-iran-contra-c-1/
Snerd
p.s. Do people who engage in these Cultu(R)e "W"a(R)z kinda stuff HATE America, or just Americans, I wonder ... ?
Amy: "... Do you REALLY think if this were true it wouldn't be front page news? "
SG: Interesting ...
POSITION 1: In spite of the truth the MSM expose about Sarah "ready-4-command-but-NOT-ready-4-Couric" Palin, you can not trust the obvious evidence of the MSM because their questions of have a bad intent.
POSITION 2: If it were true, it would be in the MSM!
Geez ... (R)ationalization that 'believes' it reasons ...
Snerd
Ayers and Obama's love fest. See GOP.com
Ayers = I hate America.
Obama: His book is soooo coool.
Ayers is not repentant. He actually says that he wished his days in the weather underground were better, or more productive.
How is it that you can be a pat(R)iotic American and HATE her government and HATE half of her citizens ...!?
What is patriotic about HAT(R)ED ...!?
Snerd
"...but you should be ashamed to attribute the comments of someone else to Todd Palin..."
One small correction. I never attributed the quote to Todd Palin.
But I do thank you for, once again, making my point.
Vogler = I hate America.
Palin: His views are soooo coool that I think I'll sign up!
Thanks Gold. Keep on making my point.
"W" is on the tube now describing the 'credit crunch' as a function of sophisticated financial instruments put together with mortgages, which lost value once the housing market dropped
Personally, I HATE what the unregulated powerful have done to the less powerful, and in so doing, have visited damaged the financial infrastructure of North America and the world at large.
So if one needs a war to channel their 'positive' energy, wouldn't a war on that which has wrecked the American financial system be more 'patriotic'? And if so, wouldn't anything that distracted from this be unpatriotic?
Snerd
Grumpy .... Any appreciation of relationships such as Causation, Correlation, Coincidence, etc., require an interest in how we know what we know, an interest in our own thinking and it's effect on our beliefs and assumption.
What is so incomprehensible to me is not some people's disinterest in their own thinking processes, but their lack of embarrrassment when the conseq
Oooops! Posted with fumbling fingers .... So to continue
Grumpy .... Any appreciation of relationships such as Causation, Correlation, Coincidence, etc., require an interest in how we know what we know, an interest in our own thinking and it's effect on our beliefs and assumption.
What is so incomprehensible to me is not some people's disinterest in their own thinking processes, but their lack of embarrassment when the consequences of their thoughtlessness is pointed out to them ...
In fact there seems to be a whole glorification in 'certainty', but not knowing how one knows, a glo(R)ification in 'Joe-Six-Pak' ignorance ...
This is what the allegedly free-est and richest civilization in known human history has done to itself ...!? Just amazing!
Snerd
"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American Government. And I won’t be buried under their damned flag I’ll be buried in Dawson . And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home."
"Why does Todd Palin hate America?"
Webster’s dictionary defines the word ‘imply’ as such:
Imply: to involve or indicate by inference, association, or necessary consequence rather than by direct statement
Since a source of the quote was not provided, and a question in the form of a link regarding Todd Palin’s Patriotism was substituted, your implication was obvious.
Adolescent semantics belong on the bathroom wall, grumpy; not in Amy’s comment section.
Your point was NOT made.
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Hey Mack, what about these dots ...
OCTOBER 03
Obama/Biden .... 264 ..... 171 Solid .... 93 Leaning
McCain/Palin ..... 163 ...... 158 Solid .... 5 Leaning
Toss Up .............. 111
OCTOBER 7
Obama/Biden …. 264 …. 206 Solid …. 58 Leaning
McCain/Palin …. 163 …. 143 Solid ….. 20 Leaning
Toss Up ............. 111
ANALYSIS:
Obama/Biden .... +35 Solids in 4 days
McCain/Palin .…. -15 Solids in 4 days and Leanings +400%
CONCLUSION:
Time for Fear, Smear and Queerz ... well 2 of the 3 (R)ight now.
Geez, Mack ... Don't you feel at least a little embarrassed that these talking points come out and somebody else's 'thinking' sudden becomes your 'belief'?
Snerd
Ga(R)y: "... Webster’s dictionary defines the word ‘imply’ as such:
Imply: to involve or indicate by inference, association, or necessary consequence rather than by direct statement"
SG: Golly Shucks, Ga(R)y .... that's Grumpy's point.
I don't think he was presenting the association of Todd Palin, with those comments as factual. In fact it was a set up. He intentionally make a false connection to make a point about false associations.
What is it with a lotta y'all ... do you have to check your 'PUNCH Line ability at door to get into an (R) mind set!?
Snerd
Snerd,
Polls are principles for liberals.
Check out these dots:
http://www.city-journal.org/2008/eon1006ss.html
Gary,
"Since a source of the quote was not provided, and a question in the form of a link regarding Todd Palin’s Patriotism was substituted, your implication was obvious."
I should certainly hope so. My implication was that he agrees with the quoted language. Guilt by association and implication.
Sarah says, "Barack HUSSIEN Obama PALS AROUND with terrorists don'tcha know, wink, wink"?
Her implication is obvious, is it not?
Read your link Mack ... Setting aside the validity of the arguments and 'associations' therein, what if it were true? ... Can you point that out precisely what it would mean?
Snerd
Tom Brokaw— described Ayers as “a school reformer.”
Ayers : reform, American heros topics for education reform.
On Heros: Out with Jefferson and Washington and in with Master P. and Gansta slap ya momma.
On Politics: Out with Capitalism and Democarcy and in with Communism Dictatorship control to keep the peace.
On Music: out with Classical and in with Hip-Hop.
On Literature: out with the Bible and Humaist thought and in with Said and Marx and rappper hata Ameirca's manifesto.
Information to suppress agenda:
Ayers bombed with intentions to kill as many innocents as possible and affirms sentiments of "I hate America" ( photos of stepping on US flag in the 21 st century..
The current of the ways of the USA:
Obama: his book is so cool and I think we need this new school reform. Tom B says -- yeah meee tooo. . then Tom B. finally leaves the office to pick up his "Gansta slap ya momma" album so he can play it for his grand children to teach them the ways of the worldy wisdom.
"...Her implication is obvious, is it not?..."
Her implication is that Obama uses bad judgment for whom he associates. If you are implying that Obama is a terrorist, I'd ask you to provide proof. As far as Sarah providing truth for her statements, see my first comment on this post.
To SG:
Start that web site yet Gronk? 'Cause nobody's reading what you spout here.
Gary,
"If you are implying that Obama is a terrorist, I'd ask you to provide proof."
??????????
Mack: Snerd,
Polls are principles for liberals.
Check out these dots:
http://www.city-journal.org/2008/eon1006ss.html
Ga(R)y: Start that web site yet Gronk? 'Cause nobody's reading what you spout here.
SG: Well Ga(R)y either Mack is a nobody or U (R) wrong ...
Snerd
It speaks to his judgment for those of us who have values. Ayers is part of a larger trend of Obama always gravitating toward "hate America" types. On top of that he has lied repeatedly about his associations and when the lies are uncovered, he casually throws them "under the bus."
Now, if he lies so easily, and cast aside his allies just as easily, how can you trust a word coming out of the man's mouth?
Perhaps, that's okay for you but it's not okay for me and I daresay a good number of others.
Since blog is mirroring this ugly campaign, why not a parable?
An elder cherokee was teaching his grandchildren about life. He said to them, "A fight is going on inside me. It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves.
One wolf represents fear, anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego.
The other stands for joy, peace, love, hope, sharing, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, friendship, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith.
This same fight is going on inside you, and inside every other person, too."
The children thought about it for a minute and then one child asked his grandfather, "Which wolf will win?"
The old cherokee simply replied,"The one you feed.
~ peace
Grumpy,
just trying to get a handle on what your are implying...
Mack,
FYI, Snerd Gronk is a bridge troll that has nothing of value to contribute to any dialog that occurs on this web site.
Posted:
Please don't feed the trolls.
StephC-
Daresay! Daresay!
"...One wolf represents fear, anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego..."
dang! That's a bit rough on liberals, but OK.
StephC,
The quote you put up was from Gary, not me.
Gary,
"just trying to get a handle on what your are implying..."
What the heck are you talking about?
Please read my last few comments, and do me the favor of asking a clear question if you are still confused. I'll be glad to explain it all again.
If you are just attempting to be clever, give up.
I have obsessive compulsive disorder and wet my bed. Can you recommend a doctor?
No, it wasn't. That's what you asked of Gary.
Steph C,
Come again???
The ???????? were mine. That's all.
I muder iraqi and afghani infants...
Grumpy,
Allow me to elaborate:
"...Her implication is obvious, is it not?..."
Her [Sarah's] implication is that Obama uses bad judgment for whom he associates. If you [Grumpy] are implying that Obama is a terrorist [by assuming Sarah is implying he is because he pals around with one], I'd ask you to provide proof [because nobody here called Obama a terrorist]. As far as Sarah providing truth for her statements, see my first comment on this post.
I'm not trying to be clever... I already is.
Obviously the comment above Gary's isn't mine. My IP address isn't 199.217.10.204, is it meathead? (you can click on a person's name to view the IP)
Sort of hard to kill Afghans and Iraqis from Korea. Have you been drinking again?
Oh gosh, you're not so good at this, meatbrain. Novices, don't try this at home.
Hi Guys,
I think the blog tone and content has deteriorated significantly in the last 48 hrs. Tensions are pretty high right now. So in the spirit of promoting a healthier, more constructive discussion, I'd like to make the following points:
Do I think that Obama's decision to have a political event hosted by Ayer's was really dumb? Yes, it was retarded. But as Amy graciously pointed out, it does not mean that Obama is a terrorist or condones anti-American or domestic terrorist ideals. His speeches, legislation and ideals have never promoted any hidden radical anti-American agendas. It was just a dumb move early in his career to associate with a man who did something dispicable 30 years before. I'm in no way a fan of Ayer's, but I do believe that people can be rehabilitated and that he's contributed positively to his community in the last 20 years. I imagine that almost every politician out there has made a really dumb move at one time or another. McCain himself exhibited exceedingly poor judgment when he associated with Charles Keating as a young Senator. It nearly cost him his career, but I don't think he should be judged for that now. Good people with good intentions can exhibit moments of poor judgment. Politicians are fallible but that doesn't make them the anti-Christ. I say: look at an individual's career more wholistically. Let's judge politcians by their ideas, knowledge, accomplishments, vision, actions, priorities.
NAIROBI, Kenya – The government of Kenya is holding WND senior staff reporter Jerome Corsi incommunicado at the airport until he departs the country after police shut down a scheduled news conference in which he planned to announce the findings of his investigation into Barack Obama's connections in the country.
Corsi, the author of the No. 1 best-selling book "The Obama Nation," was picked up by authorities at his hotel at 9:45 a.m. and detained at Nyayo House, the provincial headquarters for Nairobi.
Linked from Drudgereport.com
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77268
WTF?????